If the essence of a lie is the truth and the essence of the truth is a lie then what really is the truth and what really is a lie
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In order to lie, it is necessary for the individual to also know the truth.
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In order to lie, it is necessary for the individual to also know the truth.
exactly so it makes sense that everyone that lies is also telling the truth because to lie is to bend the truth
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In order to lie, it is necessary for the individual to also know the truth.
exactly so it makes sense that everyone that lies is also telling the truth because to lie is to bend the truth
only if the lie is even based on the truth. What if someone just randomly says something obscene and unexpected, not even remotely close to the truth.
Only in certain circumstances is a lie based off a truth or even know the truth.
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This sounds like some badly appropriated question from a legit philosophical dilemma that is no longer legit
Lies are essentially related to truths (but are not "essentially truths", which is what you said, because the alteration may have changed its "essence"/identity) but truths are never essentially related to lies. It may give rise to lies, such as how black gives way to define shades of grey.
But nothing has ever implied that they're essentially interchangeable. So it's not really a dilemma.
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In order to lie, it is necessary for the individual to also know the truth.
exactly so it makes sense that everyone that lies is also telling the truth because to lie is to bend the truth
only if the lie is even based on the truth. What if someone just randomly says something obscene and unexpected, not even remotely close to the truth.
Only in certain circumstances is a lie based off a truth or even know the truth.
that is also very true
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No it isn't - if you don't know the truth, you can't lie. Telling an untrue thing isn't a lie.
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Quote: from tell me again at 5:34 pm on Dec. 21, 2009
No it isn't - if you don't know the truth, you can't lie. Telling an untrue thing isn't a lie.
Yeah, thats true
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In order to lie, it is necessary for the individual to also know the truth.
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I do not know whether this is true or false, but it may still be a lie. I needn't know the truth in order to lie, I could just make shit up.
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a truth ceases to be a truth when you introduce any lie to it, but a lie continues to be a lie if irrespective of it having truth in it or not
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